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I like these bars (used to be known as Dakar Highs) and have a new pair that I would like to fit but, before I do, does anyone know if the standard cables are long enough? 

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Funny you should ask that.  Yes, they do (ish).

I needed to reroute the electric cables to pass behind the fork stanchions(clutch and throttle sides), and a bit of very careful routing of the throttle cable to pass to the right of the fork stanchion instead of to the left (between the fork and the headlight).  Fiddly but doable.  I think that's it though, there's no chance of also adding bar risers.  Clutch cable was ok (if I remember right).

Also, note that the throttle clamp and stop/start assembly have lugs that locate into drilled locator holes in the standard steel bars.  I filed the lugs off, easy enough.  Another option could be to drill the new bars, but I wouldn't advise it, as you need to twist theses 2 items to get the best possible position for them.

Slightly miffed that I paid more for my bars than you sell them for.  Was very interested to see the list of items that you can supply.  Currently drawing up a "shopping list".

 



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Thanks for the replies Steve and Mark thumbsup.gif

I wish I had a better memory Mark - I had forgotten all about that. Something else to watch out for then smile

I decided to have a go fitting the Dakar Highs after Steve's earlier post but haven't got very far after an attack of the grandsons no  but at least I got to see Father Chistmas's reindeer, some lambs and piglets this afternoon biggrin

I think the second pic probably shows how bent the steel bars were and also how much higher and wider the Dakars are.

Surprisingly, despite their size, the Renthals with bar pad weighed 746gm - a 100gm less than the much smaller steel bars. I am tempted to also weigh the headlight as that is a real lump! 

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I fitted a set of high bars as supplied by you for my WRR and they just about managed to fit with the cables. I don't know if you remember that I over stretched the kill switch socket in the frame and wondered why the bike wouldn't start!


 Yes, I did the same thing but wasn't going to mention it!  I did see my error before trying to start the bike though.



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Probably I should have said in the earlier post that the throttle cable now passes to the right of the headlight mounting bolt, rather than to the left (between the bolt and the headlight).

I did away with black metal locating wire atached to the headlight mounting bracket, as it now has no purpose.

I think the photo might help with cables and wires?



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Hi Brian

I fitted a set of high bars as supplied by you for my WRR and they just about managed to fit with the cables. I don't know if you remember that I over stretched the kill switch socket in the frame and wondered why the bike wouldn't start!



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Thanks Steve - that's very helpful.

Everything OK now except the clutch cable is really tight on full lock. Did you change the routing?

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Thanks Steve - that's very helpful.

Everything OK now except the clutch cable is really tight on full lock. Did you change the routing?

Cheers

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 No, I don't think I did.  Trying "rollling" the bars forward a bit in their clamps.  Even a small amount seems to make a big difference to cable tightness.  I did have to move one small electrical cable that side (the clutch "cut out" switch cable) to pass behind the top clamp.  The other larger electrical cable was ok.



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I see what you mean about rolling the bars forward a bit to ease the clutch cable Steve. I think I will get away with a slight re-routing of the clutch cable as well but will probably look at getting a longer one made up as it still looks a bit strained on full lock.

The wires also look a bit untidy the "wrong" side of the forks and I might look at lengthening them at some stage so that they can go back into their original positions.

The job is taking quite a bit longer than I expected as everything is unfamiliar disbelief



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Glad that helped Brian.  If you get a longer cable made up, could you get me one too?  Ditto throttle cables.



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SteveT wrote:

Glad that helped Brian.  If you get a longer cable made up, could you get me one too?  Ditto throttle cables.


Will do Steve.

I have ordered a new set of genuine Yamaha cables so that I can get the longer ones copied from them knowing that none of the inners or outers have been stretched or damaged.

It will take a few weeks so don't hold your breath! 

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One of the wrinkles I found when I got the WRR was that the indicators flashed too quickly as the LEDs in the Zeta handguards don't have sufficient resistance. I ordered up a pair of resistors from eBay and they arrived in time (from China) for me to fit them whilst I was finishing off sorting out the Dakar bars.

First off was a problem with the connector wires on one of the LEDs. They had frayed and were shorting out. See pic below.

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I am just too clumsy to tackle a soldering job like that but am lucky to have a good mate with the required skills so it was soon re-attached to its wires and fitted back in the handguard.

Fitting the resistors was very hit and miss until I was informed that LEDs are polarity conscious which explained a lot. Up until that point, I just couldn't understand why the LEDs would work one minute and not the next - wasted ages on that disbelief

The pic below shows one of the resistors wired in.

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The instructions with the resistors said they needed to be fitted to a metal backing to help dissipate heat. I am a bit sceptical about that as they already have a big heat sink but I have zip tied them to the fork leg just in case!

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There are a lot of wires involved but I think the installation looks fairly tidy.

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Job done!

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Waiting for some new clutch and throttle cables to arrive so that I can get some longer versions made up.

Hope that may help someone.

Brian



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Hope that may help someone.

Brian



Helps me a lot Brian.  As I've thought for a while...... these "R"s are a bit too complex (electrically) for my likings.  Where possible, leave alone!


 



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It has taken a while but the new set of Yamaha originl cables arrived this morning. I can now send them off as patterns to have some longer versions made up.

What sort of extra length should I order do you think - 100mm?

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I would say 100mm as an absolute max.  Cables too long are also a pain in the arse.  Could you disconnect the clutch cable from the clutch lever, put the bars where you want them and measure the "gap" that the extra cable length needs to reach, then add a bit more.  I guess whatever (extra) is needed for the clutch would also be the same for the throttle.



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I had a measure up and went for 100mm longer.

Just had a call from the guy making up the longer cables and the WRR/X clutch cable includes a fitting that they haven't come across before and will need to get a batch made up. So there will be a couple of weeks delay.

The good news is that the cables will use Venhill's "Featherlite" technology - stainless steel inner cable running in a Teflon tube so very low maintenance wink

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Well done Brian.  I was so pleased when you bought a 250r, as I knew you'd do all the donkey work!  Have you ordered throttle cables as well?



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Well done Brian.  I was so pleased when you bought a 250r, as I knew you'd do all the donkey work!  Have you ordered throttle cables as well?


 Yep - throttle cables are also in the mix wink



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I fitted a set of high bars as supplied by you for my WRR and they just about managed to fit with the cables. I don't know if you remember that I over stretched the kill switch socket in the frame and wondered why the bike wouldn't start!


 I extended my wires as i didnt like the way they had to be routed whith the higher barsno, was going to buy another kill switch and just cut to length and have one set of connections smile, but ended up putting a  extention piece in so had to make up 2 lots of connections ashamed done the job thoughbiggrin



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I am feeling slightly guilty as Venhill sent me a sample clutch cable nearly a fortnight ago and I only just got around to fitting it today disbelief

Anyways up, it's installed now and is a very good fit. I confess to being surprised at quite how much stripping down was needed to facilitate changing the cable and wouldn't want to do it at the roadside!

I don't like the look of the handlebar switch cables running down behind the forks so took the chance to extend the clutch switch cable using a spare TTR cable I just happened to have lying around. Simple enough to do as only two non-polarity conscious wires were involved. I think the RH switch cables might not be so easy cry

I asked for an extra 100mm and I reckon that was about right as there isn't a huge amount of cable flapping around above the bars yet there is enough slack to fit bar risers if need be. The new cable is one of Venhill's well known Featherlight (no s******ing at the back please!) variety and is so smoooooth wink

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I have let Venhill know that they have made a good job of it and hope to get the first batch of long clutch cables for sale very soon!

Next up is to fit a pair of long throttle cables but that looks a little more challenging than fitting the clutch cable as it would appear that the radiator has to be removed no

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Hi Brian,

Put me down for a set of each please when they arrive. 



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I made a bit more progress today and have nearly fitted the long throttle cables!

I was correct that the radiator/fan assembly had to be swung away from the frame to be able to replace the throttle cables and to access the connectors for the brake switch and ignition kill/starter switch. See pic below to show how well they are tucked in behind the top radiator mounting.

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Sorry my pics are poor but the next two hopefully demonstrate that having large hands is a hindrance for this job disbelief

I could only access the throttle cable ends and quadrant from the top.

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This is a view from below to show how tucked away the quadrant is.

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I put a drop of 3-in1 oil down the cables and whilst I was waiting for it to come out the other ends (to make sure I had covered the length of the cables) I removed the switches and soldered in about 4" of extra wire to allow me to run the cables in their correct routing.

I have a bit of a concern in that I cut the ignition kill/starter switch wires before realising that the two red/white wires are exactly the same. I decided that logically they must be live feeds from the same source (the wiring diagram in the workshop manual I have doesn't seem to make sense as it shows different colour wires) so I am hoping they are interchangeable. Anyone know different please?

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I am hoping that I have done the worst of the job now and another half an hour will see the WR back together again wink

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The throttle cables are in, the brake and ignition kill/starter switches are installed - so far so good.

The ignition kill/starter switch worked properly so either I got lucky with the red wires or it doesn't matter which one goes where!

However, I would appreciate some help. Where exactly should the rubber flap on the LHS above the carb fit? I attach a pic I took before dismantling but it doesn't look right to me confuse

Any chance of someone posting a pic of theirs to show the correct positioning pretty please?

Brian

PS This was mine:

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Apart from correctly fitting the rubber flap, the job is finished. No problems with the cables or wires being stretched when turning the bars now biggrin

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And I am much happier with the switch wires running along where Mr Yamaha intended rather than down the back of the fork legs. Look no wires   wink

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I have now received a batch of long clutch cables from Venhill so can offer the full set for sale.

To test the water, I only had a few sets made up and only have 3 of each left so move quickly if you want some! See here for details and prices.

Email me here if you are interested.

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Darn!!!! The new clutch cables I received from Venhill were for the TTRs so I am still awaiting the new long WR250R/X clutch cables cry

Sorry folks - and, in particular, apologies to Steve who found out the hard way that I had sent out the wrong clutch cable to him disbelief

I have chased up Venhill so should hear early next week what their eta is for the correct long WRR/X clutch cables.

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2013-03-16 001 2013-03-16 004.JPG2013-03-16 001 2013-03-16 002.JPGThe new longer throttle cables are now in and work great.  Waiting the new clutch cable.  If have decided to do away with the clutch lever safety switch, thus not needing to lengthen the cable.  I have cut and soldered the two wires together at the plug in socket under the tank and removed the wire and switch from the clutch lever.  Hope that's not an MoT failure!!! Does anyone know?  I think I might get on with lengthening the start/stop and starter wires now.

I have attached a couple of photos of the flappy rubber bit for Brian.  As you can see, the whole thing drops down behind the main beam and is held on by 1 cable tie at the rear.  You may need to just move the main wiring loom to ease it in between it and the frame.  Hope that helps.

 

 



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A couple of hours later and I have now extended the brake light cable (by about 6").  The kill/start loom contains 4 wires and I am going to see if I can trick my brother into doing it for me.  He will make a better job of it than me!

All in all, it's all coming together nicely.  I still cringe at how tight everything is "behind the scenes" on a WR.  Not like my old DR, that seems positively spacious by comparison.  And I would have struggled today without the willing assistance of my small fingered wife to get in the tight spots.  Thanks darling!



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Thanks for the pics Steve - that's another part I can clear off the bench wink

After working on TTRs for many years I confess to also finding it all a bit tight under thecovers on the WR. Nice to have a helpful partner though biggrinbiggrin

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I have just fitted my extra long throttle and clutch cables.  My Dakar high bars can now be positioned exactly where I want them.  Anyone finding the standard (steel ) bars too narrow or low would be well advised to make this mod.  It transforms the riding position and comfort for me, and makes the bike much more ergonomic.

Everything can be supplied by Brian at totally wrs and I was surprised how little more than the standard Yamaha parts they cost.  The best mod I've made! 



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At long last the long clutch cables arrived! So both long clutch and throttle cables now available - see http://www.totallywrs.com/#cables

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